MIDI Kinetics Forum

Hi all,

I am just wondering about this...I am not sure if I am missing something, or if this functionality simply doesn't exist in the way that I would like...?

Basically I've built a number of iPad templates for MIDI control of various soft synths. Nothing too complicated. I can of course control parameters on the computer monitor using the iPad touchscreen and Lemur, however, moving the knobs on the computer monitor using a mouse does not affect the Lemur controls on the iPad at all. Changing presets doesn't make a difference either. No good.

I am using Reaper as a host, BTW.

What gives? Help greatly appreciated.

I have exactly the same problem, but with my blofeld. I setup midi target on the ipad (wireless) from: laptop: Blofeld and to: laptop: Blofeld. I can change params by touching controls on the ipad, but not the other way around. How can I do this?

bi-directional control only works if the software is sending MIDI. Depending on the software, this can be difficult, or not possible.

...this can be difficult, or not possible.

True, but go through checklist first before giving up

- Have you defined IN and OUT on Lemur Miditarget?
- Have you also defined IN and OUT on your DAW/Software?
(Attention: IN and OUT change on both sides: Lemurs OUT becomes DAWs IN and vice versa)
In Ableton (for example) it is also necessary to open (!) the VSTplugin, so you see its surface to get accurate Midifeedback. I found that out on Synth1-VST. But now it works like charm (well, Midiprotocol is a bit slow and sometimes you see changes only jumping, not linear progression, but it jumps to right value).

See a video here, where I send programm change very fast to Synth1 and get feedback on Lemur: http://youtu.be/o3IPlR81bXk?t=53s

g*mat

mat wrote:

...this can be difficult, or not possible.

True, but go through checklist first before giving up

- Have you defined IN and OUT on Lemur Miditarget?
- Have you also defined IN and OUT on your DAW/Software?
(Attention: IN and OUT change on both sides: Lemurs OUT becomes DAWs IN and vice versa)
In Ableton (for example) it is also necessary to open (!) the VSTplugin, so you see its surface to get accurate Midifeedback. I found that out on Synth1-VST. But now it works like charm (well, Midiprotocol is a bit slow and sometimes you see changes only jumping, not linear progression, but it jumps to right value).

See a video here, where I send programm change very fast to Synth1 and get feedback on Lemur: http://youtu.be/o3IPlR81bXk?t=53s

g*mat

I have no idea whether I've defined INs and OUTs properly in both Lemur and Reaper...apparently I'm not doing something right. Attached are a screenshot of the editor file for the template with which I am trying to achieve bi-directional control, and another screenshot of my MIDI I/O settings in Reaper! Lemur runs through "Internal MIDI 01" and "Internal MIDI 02". Would you mind taking a look at them? Thanks!

Update: bi-directional DOES work with FM8. Perhaps Arturia is to blame here?

FM8 standalone certainly sends MIDI feedback, because it has a MIDI in and MIDI out. As soon FM8 is loaded as a plugin in a host, it depends on the host's MIDI implementation. Arturia synths standalone cannot send feedback, but if they are loaded in a host that can, they should function bi-directionally. Have you tested both synths inside Reaper, or as standalone?

Phil999 wrote:FM8 standalone certainly sends MIDI feedback, because it has a MIDI in and MIDI out. As soon FM8 is loaded as a plugin in a host, it depends on the host's MIDI implementation. Arturia synths standalone cannot send feedback, but if they are loaded in a host that can, they should function bi-directionally. Have you tested both synths inside Reaper, or as standalone?

I use everything within a host, although I did for good measure try out the synths in standalone. For the record, it appears FM8 does work bi-directionally as standalone but not within Reaper. Weird.

Getting this fixed would really be a game changer for me.

Reaper is one of the few DAW's that understand OSC - so I'm sure you can control your synths bi-directionally with it. But with MIDI it should work as well, theoretically. I know Reaper not enough to confirm this. Just try again, and remember what mat said about input and output. And what I often do in such situations: google. Many questions are answered in the first google page.