MIDI Kinetics Forum

Hi I we read the manual, seen the videos and read the forum but still

How do I get feedback info back to the lemur Ipad, so when i change patches on a softsynth etc its changing values are reflected on the lemur Ipad???

I would like to control Diva and some other soft synths and I would like lemur to reflect things like Adsr etc.. The Ipad has no knobs so to me its essential that I can see in lemur specific filter values or an LFO rate etc..

In short: If I turn a knob with the mouse in the plugin window I would like the corresponding knop in lemur to show that and visa versa...

I'm on Logic or Ni Maschine (what ever that will work)

Any ideas??

Ps. Trying to break free from the mouse for the for the 10th time and again it feels like 20 years ago where installing a printer required reading a couple of books and took a week..

Pps. Will changing to Ableton 9 make this any easier

Most plug ins do NOT support bi-directional communication .

Most DAWs do.

What the above mean is that there is a big difference between mapping a knob (Lemur or not) directly to a plug-in using its own mapping system and mapping a knob to a a plug -in using the DAW's learn function. Most often than not, in the first case you wont have bi-directional communication, in the second case you most probably will.....

So, consult your DAW specs - if we are talking about Live, 8 or 9 its still the same, by mapping knobs, sliders and buttons to plug-ins using Live's mapping feature (not the plug-in's native one) you are sure to have bi-directional communication in most of the cases. There are cases though, where even that doesnt work.

It all has to do with what the plug-in developer has done to support this feature really.......

You can do this in Studio One... you can assign plugin parameters to MIDI ccs and they are bidirectional. It seems that Cubase 7/Nuendo 6 has got some new features in this respect - but still I haven't got the time to experiment with it. If interested, look at my video for my x1 template: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PTRsQQh8Ck. I wish more DAWs allow us to enjoy this functionality.

That's weird . . . the guy is asking about Cubase. Cubase can't or doesn't do the thing he's asking about - at least not beyond the advice already given by Softcore.

Therefore your PreSonus Studio One template can't help him.

Smells like spam to me.

@Joe - you are spam paranoid. He uses Logic and is interested if Ableton 9 can deliver. I just referred him to DAW that can do what he wants and the Lemur project that makes a good use of this functionality as an example of what can be done in Lemur in this respect - but boy, I have forgotten it is a paid content, it is sugar bs and a copycat... I am out of this thread.

Yep yep . . . Logic . . . Live 9 . . . yep. See that . . . check and check.

Then you linking to a completely unrelated product you just happen to sell.

That's spam, kid. No paranoia necessary, required or involved.

@ OP.

I think Live 9 would probably be the answer to many of your (prayers?) requirements . . . but obviously not without cost, or caveats.

Max For Live absolutely blows the doors off when it comes to outside comms - but Live itself is a bit of a toy / joke in many regards when compared to something as capable as Cubase. I used Cubase for many years myself . . . but my focus now is on live performance, more specifically I want to mesh the creative / generative process of writing music with being able to go out the same night and perform that music, all within the same environment.

Right now - nothing touches Live+M4L for this. Therein lies the problem however . . . since Live has had no direct competition for going on a decade now, and since the overwhelming majority of the userbase don't know any better (as evidenced by $2k Point Blank courses ), the UI is sucktastic beyond belief at times.

No "window sets" (or anything resembling same) - so get used to grabbing that mouse and resizing panels ALL THE FUCKING TIME . . . unless you use M4L and some external code to reach in and perform mousing tasks for you (which you can, and it's fun to see people faces when they see this for the first time lol!).

Swings and roundabouts.

The approach most pros take is to ReWire a real DAW (you know, one that actually doesn't suffer from timing issues) in for arrangement and editing duties, even VST handling sometimes. Less than idea, but actually quite a flexible and rewarding way to work.

Live can be run as both a ReWire Master *or* Slave, and is reentrant (can run more than one instance concurrently).

NB - I am not affiliated with Ableton in any shape or form, and have nothing to sell. In actual fact, I dislike their corporate culture with a passion. They're just Steinberg in trendy clothes.

Well said! My thoughts exactly about Live.....so out-of-the-box thinking in so many areas but so ermmm, badly designed at others...Perhaps the coming of Bitwig will push the competition a bit...

Doubtful.

Their OOB thinking seems to have got as far as opening the lid and peeking out - "dual" monitor support.

I think it was Jay who summed up my feelings on multimonitor / multiwindow workflow best in an earlier post here . . . which is, give us everything and we'll customise the layouts for ourselves, kthxbai.

I have four monitors . . . they're currently as much use as tits on a bull, simply because Mr. Behles cannot admit his thinking on UI is wrong. It's funny - whenever anyone suggests to those guys that all the talent left Ableton three years ago to form Bitwig, they freak out and cry "NOT TRUE! All the IMPORTANT PEOPLE are still here!".

All the self-important ones are anyway.

Ableton Live ceased being software a long time ago. Now it's a cult, and Berlin is an echo chamber.

damn.

That was harsh, even by my (admittedly, pretty low [ he admits cheerfully ]) standards.

So thought I better kick this out, in deference to the aforementioned Herr Behles (and colleagues) . . . the Session View concept and execution, the ongoing work with M4L. Those bits are real genius.

The whole package, deeply flawed.

Deeply flawed genius then. So I'm not being horrible to the guy really . . . I've been called worse, has he been called better?

The Berlin thing? Probably due to all the analogue delay action. Ahhh come on . . .