Logic and Lemur

[hbissett]

Hey guys,

I'm quite new to both Logic and Lemur, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out with setting up a basic mixer controller? Or if anyone has any experience with this?

I'd like to set up some volume faders, sends, perhaps play and stop controls. I'd really like have midi out coming from Logic so I can change things with the mouse and have it reflected in Lemur, and for all midi parameters to update automatically when a different project is opened.

Is there a good template for this? Do you have to set it all up in Logics environment? I've looked through the Logic user library and found a mixer template but I couldn't figure it out.

Stabbing in the dark.

[Joe Soap]

Hi.

Is there any particular reason you need MIDI for this? Logic supports OSC - so instead of messing about with OSCulator translating back and forth to and from MIDI why not just go whole-hog OSC for at least controlling Logic itself (3rd-party stuff notwithstanding)?

[hbissett]

Hey,

No particular reason for MIDI. If OSC would work better, then by all means I'd love to learn how to do it!
I know less about OSC than I do MIDI, so is there any advice you can give me about setting up a Logic controller using OSC?

Are there advantages setting it up that way? Will it make set up easier?

[Joe Soap]

There are certain advantages to using OSC over MIDI, certainly. I'll quote from this link by way of a succinct explaination:

http://peter1island.com/technicalStuff/ ... as2osc.php

" In my opinion, there are numerous reasons to prefer OSC rather than MIDI : the most important one for me is that instead of using cryptic CC numbers and try to remember what they are supposed to control, you can use a beautifully url formatted message ex : to control the Volume and FxMorph sliders of the 4th distortion module (called "Dist-2-2") of my NoiseMaker Max patch, the MIDI version would be :

CC 45 value ←nonsense
CC 79 value ←nonsense

while the OSC version would be :

/NoiseMaker/Dist2-2/Vol value ←cristal clear
/NoiseMaker/Dist2-2/FxMorph value ←cristal clear

The other utility is that the values range with MIDI is integer between 0 & 127, with OSC you can have floating point values in any range you want... "

. . .and probably disadvantages too, depending on your facility with networking.

I don't use Logic, so I can't be any help specific to that application, but I saw your other post (complete with snarky reply from forum mod / Liine Support ) and thought I'd jump in with an alternative to all this MIDI>OSC>MIDI business.

Link me to one of the Logic templates in the User Lib and I'll take a look at it, see if I can help you figure some stuff out?

[hbissett]

complete with snarky reply from forum mod / Liine Support

Yeah I don't understand the hostility, definitely not a nice welcome to the forums.

Anyway, this all sounds interesting. I did set up bidirectional faders with MIDI only, I didn't do any OSC -> MIDI conversion. I just used that article to help me along. I think the problem is that Logic's faders don't send the same MIDI messages as I set my Lemur controls to send, so the Lemur doesn't respond. This results in me having to set up transformers in Logic's environment to convert the signals. I have been successful in setting up bio-directional MIDI this way, but then that means I have to set that up for each new channel strip in the mixer every time I add one! That doesn't seem right.

I've heard the term Mackie emulation thrown around but not really explained. There don't seem to be any Mackie templates I can use for a Logic mixer that work for me. I had a look at this one http://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/221/ but I couldn't understand how it works or how to get it working.

Thanks for taking the time to help! I really appreciate it.

[hbissett]

I found this http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemuruser_mod ... 55e2013fe1

which actually works properly to some extent when I set Lemur up as Mackie Control. The UI is all messed, I guess because it's for an older version.

I can't figure out how this emulation thing works though, because I'd like to make my own template. Just looking at this template now but can't figure it out.

[Joe Soap]

[quote="hbissett"][quote]complete with snarky reply from forum mod / Liine Support [/quote]

Yeah I don't understand the hostility, definitely not a nice welcome to the forums.
.[/quote]

Ahhh . . . we all have our off days. The bunch that do hang out here regularly are generally very helpful.

Have you seen this?

http://www.jazzmutant.com/workshop_temp ... p?id=logic

Seems as straightforward on Mackie Control as I've come across so far, at least as far as setup and general concept goes. NFI about a premade template or what MIDI CCs are req'd to conform to the MC stuff tho'.

[Joe Soap]

eheh - it seems you probably have.

[hbissett]

Yeah I looked at that one. Loaded it up, and it is all messed up. Doesn't look like what it does in the picture. Probably works on an older version. But an MC template that does exactly this, that I can use with the latest version of Lemur would be awesome.

Thus bypassing all that stupid environment stuff in Logic.

If I could find some articules about Mackie emulation perhaps that would help...

[Macciza]

Hi All
It was not meant to be 'snarky' (whatever that is?) or hostile - and I guess not all of my posts are as Forum mod either . .
It just seemed liked an odd first post given the title, the circumstances and the recommendation . . .
If it had simply started with this thread it would have been completely different, anyway . . .

The BCF controller would need mapping unless there is a plug-in for the BCF in Logic. I don't think the project does the MCU emulation the hardware does . .
Maybe also check out http://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/220/ http://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/151/ http://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/127/ http://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/342/
Softcores Mackie version is closely modelled on the hardware and hmm yes the Mackie Control emulations from the old JM site need a bit of a fix up they appear to have simply lost colour . . .

The beauty of using Mackie style emulation is that it is relatively 'plug and play' as all the background work is done for you
There are various docs available or looking inside Logic will reveal the messages used if you wish to build up from scratch
Or you could use any of the available projects as a launch -off in designing your own via cut and paste

Mackie Control Unit/ Logic Control Unit references are available on line - see http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec03/a ... trol.htm#9 http://www.mackie.com/products/mcupro/p ... PRO_OM.pdf http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr02/a ... ontrol.asp

So I would suggest trying Softcores MCU, as an MCU in Logic (though you may need to change some names to match Logic functions), and checking the mappings the MCU setups in Logic . . .