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Page 54 of the manual starts the midi setup which I follow but I do not see any daemon targets to connect to on the ipad to control my yamaha mox synth.
Connected usb to my win7 notebook to the ipad via apple photo kit adapter. This is to edit the project and then transfer it to the ipad, which I am able to do.
Now connecting the ipad to the mox, the mox does not show up as a device to connect to.

This seems to be a two part process if I understand it correctly. One, connect ipad to the pc and edit and transfer projects to the ipad. Two, disconnect the pc and connect the ipad to the mox and use the project to control the mox.

Perhaps there is some setting on the mox in the utility menu that is required to talk to Lemur so it shows up as a device in the settings menu?

Bonsoir,
You need the Lemur Daemon for Midi connection to your gear.
Don't disconnect the PC.

Hmm, that means I take my pc and the ipad to the gig? This does not make sense. Does the ipad have some sort of daemon in it?

I believe I am connected. If I move a control on the pc, the ipad screen shows the same actions. The pc lemur settings show local ip 192.168.1.11 and the ipad ip as 192.168.1.120.

Am I not stuck on getting the project to talk to the mox? Which it does not do. I disconnect the pc and plug the usb connection from the mox to the ipad. What prevents the mox from responding to project button commands?


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Liine Support <support@liine.net> wrote:
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Rick Trankle
Subject: create simple control
NOV 05, 2012 | 02:40PM UTC
Liine Support replied:
Hi Rick

By standard projects I just meant something basic - sending standard midi stuff like the Basic Faders or Studio Combo? Just wanting to find out if you have already established MIDI connections.

You should connect to an adhoc wifi network on your machine and transfer files from the editor via wifi.
With the Daemon running you should be able to set up the Daemon ports from either the iPad or the Daemon.
You should be able to set up the Daemon so that a MIDI Target sends to the MOX with it connected to your computer.
If it is a usb class compliant it may be able to be run using the Camera Connection Kit in which case it should show up.

We need to first establish proper midi connection before being able to fine tune whether the message is actually correct.
We can continue this on the Forum if you wish.

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NOV 04, 2012 | 06:59PM UTC
Rick replied:

The Lemur Daemon is running. Not sure what standard templates running
means.
Page 54 of the manual starts the midi setup which I follow but I do not see
any daemon targets to connect to.
Connected usb to my win7 notebook to the ipad via apple photo kit adapter.
This is to edit the project and then transfer it to the ipad, which I am
able to do.
Now connecting the ipad to the mox, the mox does not show up as a device to
connect to.

This seems to be a two part process if I understand it correctly. One,
connect ipad to the pc and edit and transfer projects to the ipad. Two,
disconnect the pc and connect the ipad to the mox and use the project to
control the mox.

Perhaps there is some setting on the mox in the utility menu that is
required to talk to Lemur so it shows up as a device in the settings menu?
NOV 04, 2012 | 05:28AM UTC
Liine Support replied:

Hi Rick
Yes they provide the data for the MIDI message.

Do you have the Lemur Daemon running? Do you have standard templates running?
Have you gone through the manual for details on MIDI setup?
Please provide details of your computer system and OS etc

The project was set up using MIDI Target 0, you need to point this to your MOX USB interface.

Get back to me with further details, also try a post on the Forum for other people who may have a MOX setup.

Regards
Macciza Macpherson
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NOV 03, 2012 | 01:18AM UTC
Rick replied:
Thank you for creating this template. I assume the four buttons are each
one to trigger MTC, Auto, External, or Internal settings for the MIDI Sync.
However I have not gotten it to work yet. No problem connecting Lemur to
the Lemur Editor and saving the project to the ipad. The project is open
in the ipad and the mox connected usb. I am not sure if your script is not
working or am I mapped to the correct targets in the lemur options.

MIDI Targets From and To show the ipad but not the mox. ipad Session 1 is
available and ipad Ports 1-5 to connect to,none of which respond to the
project buttons.
NOV 02, 2012 | 09:20PM UTC
Liine Support replied:
Hi Rick
Maybe something like this - see attached. Try that out and let me know how it goes
Custom MIDI is the easiest way to get Sysex messages happening imho . .
The MOX_Header can be used for all messages by adding the extra address & data portions (from MIDI doc) as I did.

Hope that helps
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NOV 02, 2012 | 08:05PM UTC
Rick replied:
Hi,

The link to the mox6 data is here:
MIDI data format information is provided in the MOX Data List:

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi ... _dl_c0.pdf
I think this is the section from page 107 they may help:
But how to fill in the Lemur form?
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NOV 02, 2012 | 05:12AM UTC
Liine Support replied:
Hi Rick

What you want to do should be achievable but it will probably involve Sysex messages for which we will need to find the correct data.
For this we will need the MIDI Sysex info for the synth and then we will be able to script something up.
If you have the data or know where it can be found then things should be pretty straightforward.

I will see what I can find,

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Macciza Macpherson
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NOV 02, 2012 | 01:23AM UTC
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Rick wrote:

Hi,

I have Lumer for ipad 3 and the yamaha mox6 keyboard. Yamaha has a couple
of apps that I use to control the keyboard remotely with the ipad except
they do not cleanly talk to each other. There is one simple thing I would
like to program Lemur to do but need some help. I have a novice amount of
visual programming experience.

There is one parameter in the mox that I need to change remotely between
two settings - External and Internal. This will release tempo control on
the mox to each of the yamaha apps on demand.

The setting on the mox is called MIDI Sync and is located in the Utility
menu under the MIDI/SYNC menu tab. With MIDI Sync highlighted I can change
the setting moving the AI Knob to switch between External or Internal.

Below is a simple layout of two buttons but how to fill in the right
parameters to accomplish this?

Rick

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Hi Rick

I think you have misunderstood the connection possibilities with the iPad.
Cabled connection via the Camera Connection Kit and USB cable is only possible with USB MIDI class compliant devices.
These are devices which can operate without needing any special drivers loaded onto the controlling system - I don't know if the MOX is?
If it is class compliant it should show up in the MIDI Targets setup - can you check if is not visible there or not?

Your other option is to use a compliant USB MIDI interface attached to the CCK or a dedicated iOS MIDI interface and use MIDI cables.
Be careful however, in that you need to send sysex info and not all devices will do that. Personally I use and recommend the iConnect MIDI interface,

Hope that clears things up a bit . . .

Cheers
MM

I can connect to the mox with the cck and control it with several of the yamaha ipad programs e.g., Synth and Dr Pad, Performance, Set List. Then I assume this means the usb midi connection to the mox is valid.

The reason I am trying to add lemur as an additional controller of the mox is because the yamaha software does not do everything I want to do. That is, changing the External or Internal Midi Sync control setting on the mox on demand. I need to do that remotely with the ipad so I can force each of the yamaha programs to respond to their controls (tempo mainly).

When the tempo control in synth and dr pad is active, it will not be active in the Performance app when I switch to use that app. So I want to use lemur to change the midi sync option on the mox to allow the other app to allow control of all of its sliders.

This all must be remote control of the mox because I am not in front of the mox. Getting yamaha corp to change one of their programs to directly accommodate my needs is not going to happen anytime soon.

Attached is the lemur file that is supposed to talk to my yamaha mox6. It does not. Below describes my setup - either CCK or iConnectmidi and the lemur file does not do anything to change the Utility Midi Sync settings from Internal to External. Lemur on the ipad does not seem to talk to the mox no matter what. What should be the lemur midi target settings? icm din 1? That's the where the midi cables are plugged in. I am thinking maybe this lemur script is not working.

I loaded midi monitor program to get visual feedback on the ipad. The mox has three different output/input connections. One, usb To Device. Two, usb To Host. Three midi din in out.

Mox usb To Host into CCK on ipad and midi monitor receives and sends keyboard data. This is my original setup to communicate with the ipad lemur software directly with no success. It was the reason then for trying to use iconnectmidi.

Now iconnectmidi connection options are the issue to connect the mox to the ipad and hopefully succeed in talking to ipad lemur. No pc in the mix. Just ipad and mox with iconnectmidi in the middle.

Not using the CCK. Using the icm mini usb to ipad connector. Neither mox usb To Host or usb To Device do not communicate to the icm.

The only cable connection between the mox, the icm and the ipad is the midi din cables.

So it seems using the icm is not providing any added value to me that the cck already provides. That is, I can press keys on the ipad or the mox and activate sounds. Doesn't seem like I needed to buy the icm.