lemur on the stage ....and wifi...

[zengel]

How do you use your lemur . I use both midi and osc on the stage. Then is it reliable? . No . Drop out , disconnected . Contrary to the legacy, the wifi connection is really far from " a trusted connection " i can t use my lemur with my mind free when i am on the stage and that s a big big problem for me. I need the lemur , i use it i develop on it. We need a wired connection . For a home working ok , you don t move, everything is under control....but on a stage !!!! Are you kinding ? Lemur? pro ? With the wifi for the osc part ? . Lemur need definativelly a wired connection to pretend to be proffessionnal.

[Phil999]

OSC is a general protocol, and the iDevices are from Apple. Lemur uses these things, but has actually nothing to do with it.

Wireless connections can be tricky, but it can be successfully used on stage.

[Softcore]

I have had the odd disconnection here and there, but generally speaking Im using Lemur every Saturday on a live web radio show of mine and it has never failed (for uhmmmm 2 months I think, since I bought it) and also on 2 gigs since I bought and again without any problems. Truth be told however, even if it did fail its not the only controller I use and even if it did fail i would manage to "survive" for 10-15 minutes without it as my most important functions are on physical controllers.

Yet still though, never had any problems (perhaps by sheer luck) on stage, while when developing stuff back at my place it has occasionally lost connection for a few seconds - but yet, I dont consider this a huge drawback.

Windows 7 64 bit, HP laptop with built in wi-fi adopter, iPad2 - latest software and iOS versions.

[Phil999]

yes, it's a big advantage to have at least one hardware controller on stage.

[zengel]

Hi again .i think your gig and my gig is quite different. I move , the lemur move on the stage and we share it between the musician and me ( the ipad foot and the ipad ....move between us). If i just have to put it on table and don t have to move it . On the stage there are a lot of things connected,between the video, the lights , mashines, etc etc... Many factors that doesn t help for a stable wifi connection between the ipad and the pc. It s absolutly not the same constraint than yours i think. But even if you have a stable wifi connection , mine isn t and 10ms of disconnection can be dramatical all is real time and a lot of data are tx/rx with on the network. I need a wired connection for osc .whether liine do something for a stable wired ip connection or i will have to find something else. I never had this problem with the legacy lemur everything worked so fine !

OSC is a general protocol, and the iDevices are from Apple. Lemur uses these things, but has actually nothing to do with it.

...you are kiding ? Lemur uses osc or not ? Then it has a lot to do with osc . I have a lot to do with a the osc that s why i bought the original lemur, that s why i bought the ipad one( because my lemur is dead)
Could i have an answer of liine to know what s their politcy on a futur cabled ipad with an usb network for the osc ?
I don t need , i don t want another controller . I need lemur, i planned to buy more than one lemur for the stage . i can t do that because of a stupid cable problem ? If i can t find a real "pro" and reliable solution, i will have stop my developpement on the lemur ... that took me a really reallly lot of time....it could be a little frustrating.

[Phil999]

like I said, Lemur uses these things, but has actually nothing to do with it. Of course Liine cannot build a wired iPad, that's in another company's hands.

But this discussion doesn't lead to a solution. Maybe it is a good idea if you post details about your setup. Direct Ad-hoc or router connections can make a difference. With the former I have a quite stable and permanent connection, while with the latter I observe drop-outs now and then, which indeed can be a pain during a session when you hit a button without effect. But even for that exist solutions.

[Softcore]

My friend Zengel, I just replied to the post topic and the question you had in your first post: "How do you use your Lemur"....Im not in position to judge how you use Lemur, what your requirements are and I only spoke for mine.

Following the subject's shift, Im rather agreeing with Phil! You compare a dedicated piece of hardware with an application for iPad and we must certainly realise that in technical terms, Liine is not responsible if network connections between iPads and computers go berzeck. Of course the app is based on this technology and of course it should "deliver" what promises - fast, professional, reliable connection but at the same time I can understand that when this doesnt happen Liine is not the first one to blame.

At this point perhaps I should also mention that Im not a big fan of Apple products and Lemur was the ONLY reason I bought an iPad. I remember always hearing that "Apple products simply work" and I had never said anything out of lack of personal experience. WHat I see now is a logstanding issue especially with Mac users and network connectivity - did a searh in Apple's support for iOS6 network connection problems and saw that many people have issues - these issues, unfortunately, create a stronger will for me to not support Apple products.

Anyways, I hope you find a solid solution!

[kisslorand]

You can try 5GHz WiFi...

[zengel]

You can try 5GHz WiFi...

hi! it seems doubling frequencie is not a stable prof thing. thanks for the eventually solution try.

My friend Zengel, I just replied to the post topic and the question you had in your first post: "How do you use your Lemur"....Im not in position to judge how you use Lemur, what your requirements are and I only spoke for mine.

yep, and it was not a judgment of yours to.

You compare a dedicated piece of hardware with an application for iPad and we must certainly realise that in technical terms, Liine is not responsible if network connections between iPads and computers go berzeck.

like I said, Lemur uses these things, but has actually nothing to do with it. Of course Liine cannot build a wired iPad, that's in another company's hands.

i bought the ipad exclusively for the lemur app (and i bought griid to) , like you . i don't understand what you mean with "lemur has nothing to do with the osc" .... osc is a protocol and it works great , i don't talk about the protocol but the ipad device and the choice of liine who want to build a pro software on this device. they made a choice and and they are responssable of the reliability of the lemur on the ipad...or they developp on an other platform or other solution, they don't developp the osc part. it's their choice , they assume it and they are responssable to. but don't say what i didn't say. liine does a great job . but they can't pretend to make a really pro app on an ipad since this stability problem is here . i don't care if it's another compagnie part or apple or liine. if this app would cost 1000 dollars more to buy a really pro solution, i would! . apple and liine are both responssable . certainly it's not the priority off apple, but liine can't just say ''it's not our fault" due to their choice to developp on this ipad.

let's talk about solutions.
i'm on win7 hadoc connection with static ip. what are you talking about when you say "which indeed can be a pain during a session when you hit a button without effect. But even for that exist solutions" . what solutions ? i know what is " hitting a button without effect"....it's really really a problem...

why liine can't developp a wired solution for the usb ethernet ? android can do that, i already try midi and osc controllers (monome for the osc ) on android and the usb ethernet connection create a really great and stable connection. it can't be hard to do that no ?

thanks for your answer.

[Phil999]

why liine can't developp a wired solution for the usb ethernet ? android can do that, i already try midi and osc controllers (monome for the osc ) on android and the usb ethernet connection create a really great and stable connection. it can't be hard to do that no ?

ah, now I start to understand what you mean. I didn't know about tablets with wired connections for OSC generally. Can you post some links to that? I mean, there are also other apps, Lemur is just the most developed and sophisticated. Can you send/receive OSC with Android TouchOSC or other apps through wired connections?

You know, I was first not interested in the iPad at all. I thought "in no time, there will be countless Android devices and apps that will make the iPad obsolete". But to my great surprise this wasn't the case. Even today I believe. Which led me to the only solution: buy an Apple product. And another one. And one more. Now I got 4 iPads to satisfy my needs.

I just haven't heard of any Android app that delivers like the ones from the Apple Store. I think the combination of a W8 tablet/computer and a good multitouch software like Emulator, Usine, [add new controller app here] can be enormously interesting for live performance. Ii just don't know more.