Roland JX-10 sysex problems!!

[rutgerv]

Hi there,
I'm trying to build a virtual PG800 programmer for the Lemur. I've already successfully managed to do so in Logic Pro's environment, but as a Lemur newby, I'm having a bit of trouble right now.
For example, the sysex massage for the filter frequency is:
F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 xx xx F7
(xx = variables, 0 to 100)

The sysex strings I tried are:
{0x41, 0x36, 0x00, 0x24, 0x20, 0x01, 0x22, 0x00, x*100}
or
{0x41, 0x36, 0x00, 0x24, 0x20, 0x01, 0x22, 0x00, 100*Fader.x}

When comparing both sysex messages from the Logic environment an the Lemur in MIDI Monitor, they're identical (although the Lemur spits out extra 2 bit messages) except the first group of variables, in Lemur it stays 00, in Logic it varies.

Does anybody know what I'm doing wrong?

Cheers,

Rutger

[Macciza]

Hi
Would really need to see the sysex implementation info
It may be using a 2byte format similar to 14bit midi msgs
Have a look and see how those 2 values are changing ...
Check the syses info to see if the package data in some particular way . .

Cheers

[rutgerv]

Thanx Macciza,

Attached the sysex implementation of the JX-10.
I'll check on the 14bit messages....

Cheers,

Rutger

JX-10 sysex.jpg (152.08 KiB) Viewed 2535 times

[rutgerv]

I'm sorry, the sysex list above is an earlier version. I'm using version 2.3, rewritten by Colin Fraser which actually works.
There's only 1 group for value, instead of two and no checksum. See attachment

[Macciza]

Hi
Yeah well the first bit was really just the MIDI implementation not Sysex.
But the nibble-ised system for storing Data to cartridge was one possibility given your earlier info, though in the end it isn't..

The stuff you just posted is whats needed - and looking at that it is only one byte of data XX, not XX, XX as you previously thought
So try {0x41, 0x36, 0x00, 0x24, 0x20, 0x01, 0x22, Fader.x * 100} in either a CustomMIDI or script your own MIDI out

Strange though that they aren't using checksums though they do for RQF, DAT and ACK messages
Often they aren't critical anyway - though if the above message does not work, then try adding an extra 0 at the end (for the checksum)

Cheers
MM

[rutgerv]

Hi MM,

Thanx!!! Unfortunately it doesn't react to that string (checksum 0 didn't do the trick either).

I checked the sysex output from the JX-10 environment in Logic and it does seem to use 14 bit:
00 00 is 0 (F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 00 00 F7 )
7F 01 is max (F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 7F 01 F7 )

It seems that Logic automatically creates a 14 bit output, it uses the same sysex string (10 bytes) but outputs 11 bytes....

Any ideas how to do that trick in Lemur:-)

Cheers,

Rutger

[Macciza]

Hi
I'd say they are adding a checksum, but would need to see more values to be sure
The data and checksum should add up to 0 in 7bit format

Cheers
MM

[rutgerv]

Hi MM,

I think you're right!
Here's some more data:

00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 01 7F F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 02 7E F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 03 7D F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 0A 76 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 0D 73 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 0F 71 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 12 6E F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 15 6B F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 17 69 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 1A 66 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 1D 63 F7



00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 59 27 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 5C 24 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 5F 21 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 61 1F F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 64 1C F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 67 19 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 69 17 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 6C 14 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 6F 11 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 71 0F F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 74 0C F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 77 09 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 79 07 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 7C 04 F7
00 F0 41 36 00 24 20 01 22 7F 01 F7

This sysex command gives the same results (I'm using Fader2):
{0x41, 0x36, 0x00, 0x24, 0x20, 0x01, 0x22, Fader2.x * 127, 128-(Fader2.x * 127)}
But the JX-10 still doesn't see it. Maybe I'm doing something wrong with the settings?
Custom MIDI
object target: Midi 0
Target: Midi 0
Message: system exclusive
Trigger: Fader2.x (any)
data: see above (any)

MIDI CC data works just fine, so I think the basic MIDI settings should be fine.....

Cheers,

Rutger

[Macciza]

Hmm
If the same message is sent to the same device it should give the same results . . . .

You have had the device respond to the syses message from Logic?
The same message sent from Lemur to same place should work!

How is Target 0 setup ? Try to set up a target that points straight to the device if possible.
If sending through Logic make sure it is passing the message on . .. .

HTH
MM