commercial templates bad for the community?

[Softcore]

Lol Joe!!!!

[m127]

@SoftCore: I don't care what Liine has to say about Unmuted ars copying enchord nor am I calling them to referee anything. As an enChord user I can see what went on by myself. I personally do not support copycats who also put down our user community library. Check the facts: template release dates, video release dates, features, workflow procedures, GUI. What was like enChord before enChord? Nothing. He even called it "reChorder" for fucks sake.

Maybe I will "create" and sell SequenzoMat... Or to quote you: Pfffffff.

I am not talking either about giving a few coins to power users like if they were beggars on the street. I am talking about a true monetizing strategy that can and would attract many more code geniuses out there. There are aplenty. Make it so powerful and monetized that even standalone music ipad app coders would rather develop for the Lemur platform. Such horde of pro devs in here would make Lemur way more powerful not only in commercial templates availability, but this would be a reversed domino effect that would foster Lemur growth in all directions.

As far as I know, templates for sale have hundreds of users, Mat does too. This means without doubt that people, not you two or Wul, people in general (those several hundreds users of paid templates) are willing to pay for good templates and resources.

@Joe Soap: yeah, your line of thought is precisely what prevents me and probably many others from releasing templates. I wonder how many users prefer to keep their templates for themselves. To further put it in perspective, how many years do we have with the Lemur project? 10? So it's not like this peace-share-hippie-love model has not been tried. Lemur is far from what it should be by now. Fact.

[Joe Soap]

OMG Look & Feel LAWSUITARMAGEDDEON!11

[m127]

OMG!!! Or Look and Feel ErectileDisfunctionArmageddon!!!!!!



Or worse!, CowardPussyArmageddon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now, where do I go here to disable the "delete" post feature in these forums again?

[Joe Soap]

[quote="m127"]OMG!!! Or Look and Feel [b]ErectileDisfunctionArmageddon[/b]!!!!!!



Or worse!, CowardPussyArmageddon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now, where do I go here to disable the "delete" post feature in these forums again?

[/quote]

Dunno.

[artsUNMUTED]

@m127

You are very aggressive and all what I am going to write will probably be a waste of my time.

1) I started rC long before enChord was released. Period. The name was also devised before this project hit the market. And it is not a name copycat - it is much better from linguistic perspective.
2) enChord guy didn't invent ANYTHING new. There have been already many tools for chords like Tonespace plugin - or perhaps they have also copied enChord directly from the brain of the developer.
3) The memory bank system was ready before enChord was released. I based it on the memory bank system in Korg Oasys workstation I used to own which allowed you to save your chords. Period. You are not experienced enough.
4) It took me 2 months to code as I said. Add to this testing, manual, promo video with my music created for the promo, demos. And it was all done in my free time - I have got my daily job, support for other projects, other projects in progress etc.

It was just the matter of coincidence that both projects hit the market in similar timeframe. I haven't bought enChord either. Don't accuse other people of lying if you don't have well-grounded evidence. Now back to Lemur.

[Joe Soap]

Think I'll call my version disChord.

All Hail . . .

[Joe Soap]

nm

[artsUNMUTED]

or disCHORDia (good for conclave times) or uroCHORD. harpsiCHORD is already taken - somebody dared to name an instrument and it can generate chords as well. Copycats everywhere.

[Softcore]

To further put it in perspective, how many years do we have with the Lemur project? 10? So it's not like this peace-share-hippie-love model has not been tried. Lemur is far from what it should be by now. Fact.

Sincerely, I dont think the "peace-share-hippie-love model" is to blame for the sucesss (or not) of the Lemur app - by the way, that is your definition of the model, which I find quite biased. Its not as if Lemur is the only thing based on a community-sharing model. And actually to put it in perspective, in the few years that MaxForLive is around, how many commercial MaxForLive devices are there out there, compared to the free ones?
The fact that there are people willing to buy good templates doesnt change the fact that many more people are willing to buy the app in the first place because there are free templates to download. Developers of paid templates have already stated that the income is not that big and cannot be considered a full-time job (and in fact I believe them), directly implying the amount of people willing to buy templates is not that big as you present it to be.
And one other food for thought would be, regardless if we like it or not, the whole industry is "shifted" towards the amateur side - Liine can't base the viability of their product based on a select few, well-paid proffesionals - this model has been tried too, Midas has been bought by Behringer lol.
I think thats also the main reason Lemur went from a dedicated-hardware solution to an iOS app in the first place. I dont think we can base our assumptions about the project's success by adding the years it was a rather expensive dedicated hardware-software solution (Jazzmutant years).
Looking at it in a strict business model, Sequensomat costs 100euros plus 50 for having bought Lemur (minus 50 if you make a video of it). Now that we are in the era of iOS one would probably say.......... "oh really"?
Its a competitive market out there!

Finally what Im trying to say is,

1. When talking about the morals of the matter, you want to make a good innovative template and sell it? Fine,go ahead, just dont base that decision on the notion "giving away is hippie-communist retarded stuff". This statement is directly insulting and I dont think anyone in here ever called anyone selling templates a money-sucker capitalist pig who will always be empty inside. If you get me.....

2. If we are talking in a strict business-economy model, some things still dont make sense or are not viable solutions!

Goodmorning!