commercial templates bad for the community?

[wul]

- creating one good template doesn't make anyone King Julien XIII, if you know what I mean:-).

Wonder what the king has to say?

[Joe Soap]

@ unMUTED:

You're taking an informal use of english language to be comments directed at YOU personally.

If you read the comments and substitute the word "one" for all of the "you"s, I think you'll be reading the intent clearer.

Also, there's maybe a bit of projection going on here - of the three (public) commercial templates / developers I'm aware of I think you probably deserve the least ire from the community. At least you seem to have innovated some nice graphical techniques building those icons (lot of work there, I use the same principles) but others have sought to charge for far lesser quality work that is obviously and absolutely built on ideas and code posted here in the forums and User Lib templates.

Or . . . you know, just acted the complete dick with talk of suing people etc. Farking laughable!

You might be getting the brunt of some of the feelings toward those cats.

And the comment quoted by wul did you no favours either, given people clearly feel agrieved on this issue. But hey f*uck it - I don't mind a bit of repartee myself . . . maybe time for everyone to recall their sense of humour.

[Softcore]

I'd never have a negative opinion if AB was selling a template...he has contributed to the community with lots of free stuff.

I'd never have a negative opinion of Mat with the sequencomat even though the paid template is much more expensive than other commercial projects - the guy also offers the lightweight template free of charge - either for evaluation before buying the full template or just simply to use it - its fully functional.

And, finally, I would never have a negative opinion on a guy selling his Lemur templates - like all those Kontakt sample libraries mentioned - the difference is, you dont find a guy selling Kontakt sample libraries in a community of users sharing free Kontakt sample libraries.


As for commenting for the hostility, perhaps I misinterpreted the sentences:
"stop patronising me" and "creating one good template doesn't make anyone King Julien XIII, if you know what I mean".
BY all means though, if you think I took the liberty to speak my opinion because somehow I consider myself to be somekind of Lemur expert - really that is not the case. Im only learning and it will probably take me years to make templates as good as AB's, Mat's, yours or a couple of other guys I cant recall their names (sorry for that). I know where I stand and I only speak my opinion from where I stand - as a noob Lemur user.

I think I have thoroughly expressed my opinions on the matter so there is no need for me to further post anything else!

[artsUNMUTED]

@wul

He would say: "I'm very clever! I'm the one, baby! Come on! Time to robot! I am very clever king. Tok tok tok. I am super genius. I am robot king of the monkey things. Compute, compute."

[wul]

here is the some of the content of an email i had from Liine back in december, when i asked about thier views on commercial templates.

i hope nick_liine doesnt mind me pasting this excerpt of his reply.

"Liine generally stays clear of directly promoting paid Lemur content. Our aim is to promote an open community where people share jzml templates and help each other out with jzlib modules and information. In some cases, we are happy to promote a template designer's work, as long as there is a significant free template made available. You are free to sell Lemur content on your own website if you wish, though I can't directly promote or support such venture."

Nuff said

[artsUNMUTED]

@softcore

I don't/didn't want it to get personal not now or then. I didn't refer to you with the reference to King Julian - I haven't even checked your contribution - it is either my lack of understanding of English subtleties or your post below shows disrespect and patronizing:

Also, how are you secured that, say, I wont be buying your template, change a couple of things and then just freely share it in the forums or in the user library? Oh wait, dont answer that! I dont want to know!

I just wanted to say that nobody should pat others shoulders regardless of their contribution or skills - nothing more - that was Julien reference. If you felt offended: my apologies.


@all: it is not unMUTED but arts|UNMUTED from "articulations unmuted" since most of my templates are orchestral ones - I consulted this name with the native speaker and she didn't have anything against it. Now I am worried:-).

[Softcore]

I didnt feel offended because I really didnt think you were referring to me - I have nothing big to showcase in order to justify a notion of being "king"....thats why I took your reply as plain hostility.

Seems like we were both lost in translation so...

...to clarify then, what I was trying to say was that even if you sell your templates, if you dont have the end users' respect - gratitude, there is no secure way for your templates not to be "stolen", "re-used" and possibly freely-shared and thats why I thought a "donation" system would be better - you rely on your "client" good faith eitherways so why not "base" your whole project on that good faith.

Semantics eitherways....My main objections have already been expressed....

[artsUNMUTED]

@Softcore

Oh boy - it would be much easier if we all spoke one language. My apologies again.

[wul]

should i be offended then

[Softcore]

@Softcore

Oh boy - it would be much easier if we all spoke one language. My apologies again.

No worries! Its all good!