Starting Settings Sync Ableton to Lemur

[AdamD]

Hi All,
I have bunch of fader banks all mapped and working perfectly in ableton live. When I move a fader on Lemur iPad it moves it on Ableton. When I mouse a fader in ableton, it moves it on the iPad. HOWEVER, When I quit and shut down then restart, Lemur and ableton faders are not at the same level. (Ableton saves and stays where I left them, but Lemur seems to set back to zero). Anyway, all mappings are still in place, but Lemur doesn't know where the ableton faders are located, which were saved where I want them, until I make a movement. Is there a way to get them synced up? Is there a way to flash some sort of "this is where everything is right now" message?

Thanks.

[Softcore]

Open Lemur before opening Ableton. This way, when Ableton opens, it will send the "feedback" to Lemur and set the faders to the positions saved.

Another "trick" is to enable-disable "midi learn" function inside Ableton - everytime you disable it, it "flashes" all controllers connected with "this is where everything is right now"....

[AdamD]

Awesome!!! Worked perfectly. Thank you.

[mssngmrblz]

I'm going to go ahead and open this back up....i'm building a script to load a container in lemur with a set of controls that i'll only need for that scene. When i change scenes the contents are automatically deleted. it's all automated using a combination of Clyphx and a Max4Live device i'm still working on. So as part of the coding in Max4live when a .jzlib is loaded it would be most awesome for faders to appear with their current settings...

so back to the original question...Is there a way to flash some sort of "this is where everything is right now" message?

[Joe Soap]

Quick and dirty . . . you code a delayed bang to the aforementioned enable / disable MIDImapping mode in Live so it flashes a param update across to Lemur when the .jzlib is loaded - alternatively make it part of an initialisation routine called from the .jzlib?

Or have the M4L device do it. Basically I think it'll depend on initialisations, timings - but nothing too fancy.

This is a very clever bit of lateral-thinking (the ClyphX / Scene Launch > M4L > Lemur Loader chain). Really looking forward to this - and implementing (integrating) it in my own Live setup.

[Softcore]

To this day, I still wonder how come a well thought out for live situations DAW like Ableton Live doesnt have a factory-built in "request" midi command...In other words utilize a "special" midi message that would cause Live to send all the positions and data of mapped controllers....This would solve many problems like using multiple presets in hardware controllers and update any LED rings correctly etc. etc.

Ah well....wrong forum for these ideas of course...

[mssngmrblz]

@Joe there's got to be a less klunky way to do it. the Midi Mapping button is only activated with a keyboard shortcut Command+M.

@softcore maybe Live9

[Joe Soap]

I'm all for elegance - but equally for functionality .

You can embed external applications in Max patchers AFAIK - so perhaps just include the right (by this I mean licensing terms) utility to handle MIDI --> Kbd translation? Does Bome's free app have compatible licensing terms?

/me checks

. . . not really, I don't think.

Still, the Classic Edition is free for personal use, and has the capability - Windows-only however. For OS X there's this:

http://www.charlie-roberts.com/midiStroke/

I don't believe including these as "System Requirements" and providing links to the respective websites is too onerous on folk really. Etiquette would dictate linking to the main landing page for the site though, and not a direct DL link or even the DL page.

Some thoughts on getting the system up and running as a proof of concept.

[mssngmrblz]

i think i'll try and sort it out with Clyphx scripting instead of loading more software

[Joe Soap]

Sure thing amigo, definitely best to keep it as self-contained as possible.

I gotta say I'm a wee bit psyched to see it - this is the stuff that makes Live almost supernaturally good fun to use, and Lemur of course.

I've wished sometimes during the last year that the guys might contemplate opening Lemur up some more. There was quite a clamour at one point for the firmware to be open-sourced when Jazzmutant folded . . . a total non-starter from the parent organisations POV I'd think. But before that there were requests for an API - and that, I think is almost a no-brainer.

I'd be very surprised if that doesn't happen at some point. I've come to believe it's the best way to secure the future of the product.

Make it a real platform.

But yeah . . . babbling!