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It sure would be nice if Lemur was ported to Windows as these devices just keep pushing the envelope, far superior to iPad as you can run full blown Windows apps on them. Even the new Lumina phones from Microsoft are running Windows 10.
Please consider porting Lemur to Windows, there is sure to be a huge market for you if there isn't already. I know for a fact that media composers would snatch Lemur in a second once the port is finished. Just sayin...
Please consider porting Lemur to Windows, there is sure to be a huge market for you if there isn't already. I know for a fact that media composers would snatch Lemur in a second once the port is finished. Just sayin...
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Just got a 23" multi-touch screen in the hope that Liine will port Lemur to Windows!
Please do this soon. Peaeaeaease!
Please do this soon. Peaeaeaease!
Hi Vas,
may I ask, which touch screen monitor did you buy? I'm looking for a 23" or even 27", but I find it not so easy to find an affordable monitor with 10 touch points.
may I ask, which touch screen monitor did you buy? I'm looking for a 23" or even 27", but I find it not so easy to find an affordable monitor with 10 touch points.
Phil999 wrote:Hi Vas,
I bought both 23” Acer T232HL Abmjjz and Viewsonic 23” TD2340. Out of the box the Acer looked better with higher contrast but with a little tweaking the Viewsonic was obviously brighter and a bit better colors.
The Viwesonic I believe had a very slightly faster touch response. The Viewsonic has also a far superior adjustable base.
Walmart saved me with their 15 day great return policy. I was thinking about getting the DELL 23” P2314T and see how it compares. But I did not.
I am on Windows 10 64 bit. I am now using the Viewsonic TD2340 23” 10 touch screen as my third screen. The 28" is a non-touch screen that sits vertically above the Viewsonic. My mouse moves up and down from the 28" top left screen to the Viewsonic. Both have the same pixel count. My smaller right screen is actually my primary.
A few issues I have:
Disappointed that most of the VST’s and VSTi’s are not multitouch.
An inward swipe from the right side opens up the Action Center window on the primary top right monitor.
Also to consider on ebay or as used.
NEC E232WMT
LG 23ET63B-W,
LG 23ET83V-W
I say a nearly new LG go for $100 on ebay
thank you very much for this insight. The Viewsonic 23” TD2340 looks like a good choice. 10-point multitouch, 23", 1920 1080 resolution, for an affordable price. The only thing that troubles me a bit is that these monitors are quite dated. Aren't there any new monitors in 2015?
I was thinking it is enough to interact with softsynths with only one finger. But this is rather for sound design, definitely not for interactive, spontaneous live use. Think about the possibilities you have on a real synth with lots of knobs and levers. Instant access all the time. Start with one patch and end with a completely different sound later. This is action, creative, intuitive, pure fun.
As time flows by there will be (hopefully) some more VSTi's with multitouch. The funny thing is, it doesn't matter what DAW you use. I was using Harrison Mixbus which is not multitouch enabled, but the inserted TAL Sampler is! So it became clear to me that it's only the plugin developer's task to implement multitouch.
From my point of view it is kind of primitive that in 2015 multitouch is not available in most cases. It will take another 5 years or so until we are there. Or 10 years, I don't know. Maybe never. Companies keep telling that multitouch is for smart phones and tablets. They may be right from a marketing point of view. It also makes sense in ergonomics. I understand that, although from a musician's perspective it looks very different. Musicians usually have, or should have, trained arms, to reach out for that particular setting on their foot pedal or microphone stand. So it is no problem for them to reach the arm for a mute or solo button on a tablet DAW or desktop DAW control surface, or tweak a parameter on a softsynth, for heaven's sake.
I've built a couple of Lemur programmer templates for my softsynths, but I've grown tired of it. Takes so much time of my life because I'm not very fast/smart in creating those templates. Recent news from Native Instruments and Akai give some hope, but in the end they just want to sell their keyboards that include those advanced parameter mapping features. It's a good trend, but I already have my keyboards. I don't want to buy a new one just for 8 paltry knobs and parameter displays.
In the meantime I guess I will stick to my Lemur templates. They work well. What more do I want? Of course I want much more! We have to wait.
Yes, that is so. I was surprised to find out (on a cheap Win tablet) that VSTi's from http://tal-software.com/ respond to multitouch. All others not (except internal synths in multitouch enabled DAW's like Studio One). This is regrettable.Vas wrote:Disappointed that most of the VST’s and VSTi’s are not multitouch.
I was thinking it is enough to interact with softsynths with only one finger. But this is rather for sound design, definitely not for interactive, spontaneous live use. Think about the possibilities you have on a real synth with lots of knobs and levers. Instant access all the time. Start with one patch and end with a completely different sound later. This is action, creative, intuitive, pure fun.
As time flows by there will be (hopefully) some more VSTi's with multitouch. The funny thing is, it doesn't matter what DAW you use. I was using Harrison Mixbus which is not multitouch enabled, but the inserted TAL Sampler is! So it became clear to me that it's only the plugin developer's task to implement multitouch.
From my point of view it is kind of primitive that in 2015 multitouch is not available in most cases. It will take another 5 years or so until we are there. Or 10 years, I don't know. Maybe never. Companies keep telling that multitouch is for smart phones and tablets. They may be right from a marketing point of view. It also makes sense in ergonomics. I understand that, although from a musician's perspective it looks very different. Musicians usually have, or should have, trained arms, to reach out for that particular setting on their foot pedal or microphone stand. So it is no problem for them to reach the arm for a mute or solo button on a tablet DAW or desktop DAW control surface, or tweak a parameter on a softsynth, for heaven's sake.
I've built a couple of Lemur programmer templates for my softsynths, but I've grown tired of it. Takes so much time of my life because I'm not very fast/smart in creating those templates. Recent news from Native Instruments and Akai give some hope, but in the end they just want to sell their keyboards that include those advanced parameter mapping features. It's a good trend, but I already have my keyboards. I don't want to buy a new one just for 8 paltry knobs and parameter displays.
In the meantime I guess I will stick to my Lemur templates. They work well. What more do I want? Of course I want much more! We have to wait.
The age of the monitors troubled me also. I could not find anything newer that met my specs. The newer touch monitors will be 4k and perhaps thinner and in the following generation they will be velocity sensitive.Phil999 wrote:thank you very much for this insight. The Viewsonic 23” TD2340 looks like a good choice. 10-point multitouch, 23", 1920 1080 resolution, for an affordable price. The only thing that troubles me a bit is that these monitors are quite dated. Aren't there any new monitors in 2015?
Yes, that is so. I was surprised to find out (on a cheap Win tablet) that VSTi's from http://tal-software.com/ respond to multitouch. All others not (except internal synths in multitouch enabled DAW's like Studio One). This is regrettable.Vas wrote:Disappointed that most of the VST’s and VSTi’s are not multitouch.
I was thinking it is enough to interact with softsynths with only one finger. But this is rather for sound design, definitely not for interactive, spontaneous live use. Think about the possibilities you have on a real synth with lots of knobs and levers. Instant access all the time. Start with one patch and end with a completely different sound later. This is action, creative, intuitive, pure fun.
As time flows by there will be (hopefully) some more VSTi's with multitouch. The funny thing is, it doesn't matter what DAW you use. I was using Harrison Mixbus which is not multitouch enabled, but the inserted TAL Sampler is! So it became clear to me that it's only the plugin developer's task to implement multitouch.
From my point of view it is kind of primitive that in 2015 multitouch is not available in most cases. It will take another 5 years or so until we are there. Or 10 years, I don't know. Maybe never. Companies keep telling that multitouch is for smart phones and tablets. They may be right from a marketing point of view. It also makes sense in ergonomics. I understand that, although from a musician's perspective it looks very different. Musicians usually have, or should have, trained arms, to reach out for that particular setting on their foot pedal or microphone stand. So it is no problem for them to reach the arm for a mute or solo button on a tablet DAW or desktop DAW control surface, or tweak a parameter on a softsynth, for heaven's sake.
I've built a couple of Lemur programmer templates for my softsynths, but I've grown tired of it. Takes so much time of my life because I'm not very fast/smart in creating those templates. Recent news from Native Instruments and Akai give some hope, but in the end they just want to sell their keyboards that include those advanced parameter mapping features. It's a good trend, but I already have my keyboards. I don't want to buy a new one just for 8 paltry knobs and parameter displays.
In the meantime I guess I will stick to my Lemur templates. They work well. What more do I want? Of course I want much more! We have to wait.
The main issue is finding mutlitouch software to use on the Viewsonic. I understand that VST's that are made with JUCE automatically are multi touch capable. I would love to have Absynth and IRIS as MT. The Mangle may be MT. I will check out he TAL plugins for MT. I will check out the Studio One 2 synths and use as MT.
Let's hope the Lemur is ported t the Windows Platform. Also hoping Usine http://www.sensomusic.com will be offered as a VST/VSti.
ah, interesting information, thanks a lot. So I guess TAL VSTi's are programmed in JUCE?Vas wrote:I understand that VST's that are made with JUCE automatically are multi touch capable.
Absynth with MT would be great, but my guess is this won't happen. I've read at KVR there is some development in Absynth, but we only know when it's there. Although for me it is good to use Absynth as a preset synth. Spreading sound to 4 audio channels. That's already great. Great sounds from presets (although I'm not into factory presets generally).
Interesting that you mention Usine. In the end, not surprising at all. I've been demoing Usine for some time, but haven't found a good access to this software yet. There are a couple of addons that are only controllers. Multitouch controllers. MCU and others. Configurable. OSC. Apparently very powerful. Still I haven't found a way to really test Hollyhock 2. Or purchase a license for it.
I simply need more impressions and examples to make a decision.
Check out this article.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov14/articles/windows-multitouch-software-2014.htm
I am waiting for Black Friday/Cyber Monday
and then get Usine if it is under $50. Or if
you have others to add to my list let me know.
Please elaborate on your comments about Usine
as I am very interested in it.
There are may intesing tablet apps that can and
should be ported to the Windows platform and run
as VST/VSTi's.
I sense a lack of enthusiasm in anything multi-touch
in the Windows domain. I do wonder why as Windows
offers the real-estate benefit and power of a PC and
a huge loyal musician user base. Most musicians I believe
use the MT for mixing but for me I am more in the music
creation and yes also mixing.
If you are in the Tampa Bay area stop by and check out my
set up.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov14/articles/windows-multitouch-software-2014.htm
I am waiting for Black Friday/Cyber Monday
and then get Usine if it is under $50. Or if
you have others to add to my list let me know.
Please elaborate on your comments about Usine
as I am very interested in it.
There are may intesing tablet apps that can and
should be ported to the Windows platform and run
as VST/VSTi's.
I sense a lack of enthusiasm in anything multi-touch
in the Windows domain. I do wonder why as Windows
offers the real-estate benefit and power of a PC and
a huge loyal musician user base. Most musicians I believe
use the MT for mixing but for me I am more in the music
creation and yes also mixing.
If you are in the Tampa Bay area stop by and check out my
set up.
I am also considering XotoPad, works on Windows.
but not a VSTi. It is a stand alone.
http://www.feelyoursound.com/xotopad/
In one keyboard setup he mentions velocity
but not on the others.
Now $39. $20 on black Friday?
if it was a VSti I would have purchased it already.
but not a VSTi. It is a stand alone.
http://www.feelyoursound.com/xotopad/
In one keyboard setup he mentions velocity
but not on the others.
Now $39. $20 on black Friday?
if it was a VSti I would have purchased it already.
great input Vas, many thanks. I'll think about what you said and linked to, will respond in a few days.
Just checked out Studio One 2 and the three S1 plugins that I tried are not multi-touch.
Perhaps S1 MT needs to be turned on?
In fact the single touch is terrible on the two VSTi's that I tried, Iris and FM8.
Perhaps S1 MT needs to be turned on?
In fact the single touch is terrible on the two VSTi's that I tried, Iris and FM8.
I'm not sure, but I think multitouch has been introduced in Studio One 3. Maybe earlier, I just remember some ads and reviews which mentioned MT in version 3.
XotoPad may be something, but so far I'm not very impressed. http://ctrlr.org/ looks more promising to me, although I didn't manage yet to create a control surface. Tried several times but always stuck somewhere, mainly in the layout. I somehow have become a bit lazy with this stuff, that's why I'm (again) interested in big multitouchscreens and direct control of the GUI.
Now to Usine: I've installed the current version, but it looks like there is only one demo project if you don't have a license. I didn't manage to run one of those add-ons (there are controller projects among them) that you can download through Usine. That's where it would get interesting. When I find time I may try asking specific questions in their user forum. So many things that are unclear. And I don't need a DAW, I already have two.
I've also tested FM8 for touch control, I agree it's difficult. I'm also more interested in sound design, direct quick access to synth parameters, than mixing. For mixing there are already good controller apps.
XotoPad may be something, but so far I'm not very impressed. http://ctrlr.org/ looks more promising to me, although I didn't manage yet to create a control surface. Tried several times but always stuck somewhere, mainly in the layout. I somehow have become a bit lazy with this stuff, that's why I'm (again) interested in big multitouchscreens and direct control of the GUI.
Now to Usine: I've installed the current version, but it looks like there is only one demo project if you don't have a license. I didn't manage to run one of those add-ons (there are controller projects among them) that you can download through Usine. That's where it would get interesting. When I find time I may try asking specific questions in their user forum. So many things that are unclear. And I don't need a DAW, I already have two.
I've also tested FM8 for touch control, I agree it's difficult. I'm also more interested in sound design, direct quick access to synth parameters, than mixing. For mixing there are already good controller apps.
Two interesting links
http://www.touch-base.com/
http://www.touchit.com/
for Extra large touch screens
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1025012-considering-touchscreen-system.html
http://www.touch-base.com/
http://www.touchit.com/
for Extra large touch screens
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1025012-considering-touchscreen-system.html
XotoPad, If it was a VSTi I would get it.Phil999 wrote:I'm not sure, but I think multitouch has been introduced in Studio One 3. Maybe earlier, I just remember some ads and reviews which mentioned MT in version 3.
XotoPad may be something, but so far I'm not very impressed. http://ctrlr.org/ looks more promising to me, although I didn't manage yet to create a control surface. Tried several times but always stuck somewhere, mainly in the layout. I somehow have become a bit lazy with this stuff, that's why I'm (again) interested in big multitouchscreens and direct control of the GUI.
Now to Usine: I've installed the current version, but it looks like there is only one demo project if you don't have a license. I didn't manage to run one of those add-ons (there are controller projects among them) that you can download through Usine. That's where it would get interesting. When I find time I may try asking specific questions in their user forum. So many things that are unclear. And I don't need a DAW, I already have two.
I've also tested FM8 for touch control, I agree it's difficult. I'm also more interested in sound design, direct quick access to synth parameters, than mixing. For mixing there are already good controller apps.
Usine, Yes, I also do not need another DAW! But if it had a good virtual midi keyboard controller I would use it as a standalone controller with midi out to FL Studio or another DAW.
Yes, multi-touch the GUI and for me especially touch the VST instruments and the VST fx. Agree "direct quick access to synth parameters" by multi-touch. Multi-touch and make music!
This thread totally expresses my feelings
Need a virtual Multi-Touch Midi Keyboard Controller VST
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=449091
I again checked out your suggestion. I did not find anything that I can use here http://ctrlr.org/panels/Phil999 wrote: http://ctrlr.org/ looks more promising to me, although I didn't manage yet to create a control surface.
Tried several times but always stuck somewhere, mainly in the layout. I somehow have become a bit
lazy with this stuff, that's why I'm (again) interested in big multitouchscreens and direct control of
the GUI.
That means I have to make my own. This is not for me. In any case my immediate need is a virtual
midi keyboard VSTi that has velocity capability. What is it that you want from this program. Is it free?
Did I overlook some important feature?
FL Studio 12 has Patcher and control surface https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvqBDfEhls
See minute 11:00. This is a very nice feature which I will likely use.
again interesting stuff from you, thanks. I didn't know DTouch, that looks interesting. Needs iLok, so it's probably not for me, but good to see this development. FL Studio 12 looks good as well. Would be nice to have this Patcher as VSTi.
Ctrlr is what it is as far as I know. You have to create your own panel. I would like to to use Ctrlr in the same way as I use Lemur, control parameters of softsynths, with the advantage of bigger multitouch screens. It seems Ctrlr does not have a keyboard, I didn't quite realise you're searching for a touch-keyboards.
I'm sure next year there will be more and better options for what we search for. In the meantime I'm a bit tempted to get an iPad Pro, but it's quite expensive, especially in my country. I think I'll wait.
Ctrlr is what it is as far as I know. You have to create your own panel. I would like to to use Ctrlr in the same way as I use Lemur, control parameters of softsynths, with the advantage of bigger multitouch screens. It seems Ctrlr does not have a keyboard, I didn't quite realise you're searching for a touch-keyboards.
I'm sure next year there will be more and better options for what we search for. In the meantime I'm a bit tempted to get an iPad Pro, but it's quite expensive, especially in my country. I think I'll wait.
Patcher VST? Well check this out http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?p=883356Phil999 wrote:again interesting stuff from you, thanks. I didn't know DTouch, that looks interesting. Needs iLok, so it's probably not for me, but good to see this development. FL Studio 12 looks good as well. Would be nice to have this Patcher as VSTi.
Ctrlr is what it is as far as I know. You have to create your own panel. I would like to to use Ctrlr in the same way as I use Lemur, control parameters of softsynths, with the advantage of bigger multitouch screens. It seems Ctrlr does not have a keyboard, I didn't quite realise you're searching for a touch-keyboards.
I'm sure next year there will be more and better options for what we search for. In the meantime I'm a bit tempted to get an iPad Pro, but it's quite expensive, especially in my country. I think I'll wait.
Patcher is a proprietary VST and works only in FL Studio. There are other free or low
priced modular/chainer VST/VSTi's. see
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=354102
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121552
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=344096
Yes my immediate need is a virtual midi keyboard, with just a few extras features:
VSTi
vector based so it is re-sizable.
Sensing by location and axis. Velocity, volume, Pitch, note length.
A sustain button.
An Expressionmate and Continuum surface.
There is more but I better stop here.
Next year? that is 50 days from now. I said next year back in IIRC 2012.
Yea, I sound pessimistic, perhaps just being realistic.
Have you made a decision about the monitor?
sorry I meant that multitouch-mapping thing in FL Studio 12 in the video you posted, I thought it was called Patcher. I never used FruityLoops.
But I think there are some things coming, although slowly.
That's true. My first (and only) multitouch monitor I got 5 or 6 years ago, with high hopes for multitouch applications to appear soon. This monitor ended up as simple touch-monitor for my internet machine for scrolling websites and copy/paste flicks. To get a new one I'm not decided.Vas wrote: Next year? that is 50 days from now. I said next year back in IIRC 2012.
Yea, I sound pessimistic, perhaps just being realistic.
But I think there are some things coming, although slowly.
Sorry about the Patcher and that is what is it called but a very similar VST/VSTi by IL the MiniHost is free but it is in Beta.
Sorry if I misunderstood your comments.
So you have been at the touch screen screen forefront since ancient times. Wow!
Can I interest you to design the first VSTi Vectorized midi controller?
Sorry if I misunderstood your comments.
So you have been at the touch screen screen forefront since ancient times. Wow!
Can I interest you to design the first VSTi Vectorized midi controller?