hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panner?

something i can use to run 5.1 panning thru lemur,with so many varibles involved ,im not sure its possable..anyone?

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

any one? nobody made a 5.1 panner for cubase? is it hard? maybe there is no gen remote function for center abd sub

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

I made a quad panner which is easy to setup, one parameter for left-right, one parameter for front-rear, which is best done in a single MultiBall object.

Surround panning is something a bit more sophisticated I believe, and as you already presumed I'm also not sure if all necessary control parameters are available in Cubase. Maybe in Nuendo?

I think generally surround panning is not meant to be remote controlled. Each DAW has its mouse-operated surround panner. But I don't know enough about the subject. Which does not mean that it's not possible in Lemur. Of course it is, but it would need a specific channel structure in Cubase where the center and the sub have their own channel. Lemur would control all 6 levels of a 5.1 mix.

But for this I think one must know about the common pan law in surround sound. When I move the surround panner in Cubase with the mouse, it looks quite complex how the levels interact.

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

i think i saw it ,,,but i dont think cubase has remote control for lfe and center levels anyway?

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

it doesn't matter much, there are ways around it. The send bus in Cubase could be used for this purpose also: 6 sends that go into a 5.1 master channel.

But I think this doesn't make much sense. For music, I don't need a center speaker and a subbass. The four speakers in the corners do matter. And for film I better leave the 5.1 mix to the experts.

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

well thats what i do,,,as well as mixing music, i do post film work,like adr, sound design, spotting,,the whole taco!!!,,i saw the x,y ball and i like the way it can bounce off the walls,like one of those super bouncy balls we had when we were kids!!!!,that might be interesting to hear,,,since i am kinda new to lemur,i guess u set the x to be l,r and the y to be front,rear? ill experement ...i have been using cubase pro 8 and nuendo 6.5 for video work ,,,but im really liking cb8 much better,,,the only thing i would miss i n65 is the anymix 5.1 panner,,its the bomb,,,but honestly u can do the same stuff in cb8

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

interesting. In that case I have an address for surround mixes if I need one.

Yes a MultiBall object is perfect for animated panning. Set it up as you described, enable Physics and add controls for friction, speed, attraction. It is 'only' quad, but from what I know the center surround channel is primarily for speech. The music is generally distributed to the corner and LFE channels, so for practical use I would say use the corner channels for panning and one send (with constant level*) for the LFE. And the MultiBall works fine, you can intuitively 'throw' signals around the room and let them bounce (with friction set to 0), speed the movement up and down, etc. And it's an automation independent from Cubase, and it can also be recorded or printed as internal automation.

Here is one example of a physics-enabled quad panner for Cubase in case you're wondering:

https://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1013&hilit=cubase+channel&start=10#p7417
(the corresponding Generic Remote xml can be found three posts above) (and if needed, setup instructions in the first post's zip)

*the LFE send level could be linked to front-rear (MultiBall.y). That may make sense.

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

do u mean i can have the center come up when ball is in front center?

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

well I tried the ball x,y panner and it works nice...and I put aux 7 and 8 as center and lfe...and I can put them in pre mode if u only want signal in center or sub

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

Maybe have a look at https://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4699&p=18299&hilit=Dexter#p18299
Cheers

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

hey i tried the panner # 22 and its very cool,but i just thought about something....it can really only be usedin mono sources,cause there is only 1 ball,and even if you can add another there is no way to map that in the daw ,my case cubase pro 8 and nuendo 6.5,its only left-right and front -rear so if a track is stereo there is no independant mapping for 4 panners,,,unless some lemur genius has any ideas,i guess its how it has to be....good job thou

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

Hi
Ordinarily one would be panning mono sources rather then stereo/dual mono . . .
Often a stereo recording, depending on source, already has inherent imaging information so it kind of becomes weird to then pan it too much again ...
With the Dexter version i guess you could map 2 multi balls as needed, not sure what panner #22 is? can you use 2 or add more balls?
Sorry i don't run Cubase or nuendo so not sure how they handle their 5.1 stuff os can't offer any real suggestion there
cheers

Subject: Re: hey,,has anyone make a joystick emulation surround panne

yea cubase and nuendo ,there is no way to map left and right panners anyway,so mono it is!