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iConnectMIDI2+ DOES work with Lemur!
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Here are the settings I used to make Lemur work using a hard wired connection. I confirmed it worked by rebooting my pc, rebooting the iPad and disconnecting the iConnectMIDI2 wiring to start completely from scratch.
The debugging process was hampered significantly because over the course of testing dozens (hundreds?) of setting combinations, Lemur became confused or compromised and stopped sending MIDI altogether, even though I thought the problem was the combination of settings I was trying. The problem was fixed with a reinstall of Lemur on the iPad.
The following settings will send MIDI data to Reaper on my system: iPad2 running the latest OS, Windows 7 PC running Reaper, iConnectMIDI2+.
1. You do NOT need the Daemon so you must go to the tray and specifically turn it off by Quitting it.
2. You do NOT need a WIFI connection of any sort (adhoc, etc.)
3. You do NOT need a loopMIDI type of virtual port creator.
4. Use iConnectMIDI2 factory settings.
5. Within the Lemur settings on the iPad:
set MIDI 0 target "From" to be "iCM2 USB 1.3"
set MIDI 0 target "To" to be "iCM2 USB 1.3"
6. Within Reaper running on the PC:
disable all MIDI inputs and outputs except MIDIIN3, MIDIIN4, MIDIOUT3 and MIDIOUT4 (may not be necessary).
7. To record Lemur output, Set the individual track to record MIDIIN3.
Here are the most confusing things about this situation:
1. That the Daemon and virtual port MIDI Loop software is not needed and totally misleading when using your interface. The Windows requirement of only one active port is irrelevant because the Daemon and virtual port software are not used.
2. The port naming conventions. The biggest news here is that ports 1 and 2 on the iConnectMIDI are for the DIN plugs! I would find a way to name them DIN1 and DIN2 if possible.
3. That Lemur itself needed to be reinstalled because it was not sending any MIDI. I installed MIDI-OX (PC) to check for MIDI data coming from Lemur. I knew that the interface and cabling of my system were ok because I was able to get midi activity from another iPad program to show up in Reaper and MIDI-OX.
4. Lemur's "From" and "To" need to be very precisely defined or reworded because they can be understood from 2 completely opposite views. Is "From" defined from the iPad Lemur's perspective or the perspective of the device you are sending or receiving from? This is not a small issue for anyone starting out debugginga non-funcational system because anything can be viewed as a variable and confusion reigns.
The debugging process was hampered significantly because over the course of testing dozens (hundreds?) of setting combinations, Lemur became confused or compromised and stopped sending MIDI altogether, even though I thought the problem was the combination of settings I was trying. The problem was fixed with a reinstall of Lemur on the iPad.
The following settings will send MIDI data to Reaper on my system: iPad2 running the latest OS, Windows 7 PC running Reaper, iConnectMIDI2+.
1. You do NOT need the Daemon so you must go to the tray and specifically turn it off by Quitting it.
2. You do NOT need a WIFI connection of any sort (adhoc, etc.)
3. You do NOT need a loopMIDI type of virtual port creator.
4. Use iConnectMIDI2 factory settings.
5. Within the Lemur settings on the iPad:
set MIDI 0 target "From" to be "iCM2 USB 1.3"
set MIDI 0 target "To" to be "iCM2 USB 1.3"
6. Within Reaper running on the PC:
disable all MIDI inputs and outputs except MIDIIN3, MIDIIN4, MIDIOUT3 and MIDIOUT4 (may not be necessary).
7. To record Lemur output, Set the individual track to record MIDIIN3.
Here are the most confusing things about this situation:
1. That the Daemon and virtual port MIDI Loop software is not needed and totally misleading when using your interface. The Windows requirement of only one active port is irrelevant because the Daemon and virtual port software are not used.
2. The port naming conventions. The biggest news here is that ports 1 and 2 on the iConnectMIDI are for the DIN plugs! I would find a way to name them DIN1 and DIN2 if possible.
3. That Lemur itself needed to be reinstalled because it was not sending any MIDI. I installed MIDI-OX (PC) to check for MIDI data coming from Lemur. I knew that the interface and cabling of my system were ok because I was able to get midi activity from another iPad program to show up in Reaper and MIDI-OX.
4. Lemur's "From" and "To" need to be very precisely defined or reworded because they can be understood from 2 completely opposite views. Is "From" defined from the iPad Lemur's perspective or the perspective of the device you are sending or receiving from? This is not a small issue for anyone starting out debugginga non-funcational system because anything can be viewed as a variable and confusion reigns.
You don't have to quit the Daemon. I have the Daemon running for target 1 and 2 and the iconnect Midi for target 3.
If i remember right, when you select the device in Lemur you need to take the ICM not the iconnect Midi one to circumvent the Daemon. But i am not at my computer atm.
And make the proper setting in the iconnect Midi configuration like USB1 Out goes to USB2 IN, so you can get the input on the computer.
it is not that trivial and at first i was really wondering why it wasnt working for me.
If i remember right, when you select the device in Lemur you need to take the ICM not the iconnect Midi one to circumvent the Daemon. But i am not at my computer atm.
And make the proper setting in the iconnect Midi configuration like USB1 Out goes to USB2 IN, so you can get the input on the computer.
it is not that trivial and at first i was really wondering why it wasnt working for me.
I a considering getting a iConnectMIDI2 as well. I have a question though that I can't seem to find an answer to. Maybe somebody here can enlighten me.
So I am running a big Lemur Template that needs two set of ports: one bidirectional (to/from Cubase Generic Remote for commands, etc) and another one unidirectional (to Cubase which transmits Midi CC to Midi tracks - to control various sample libraries, etc).
Would the iConnectMIDI2+ do this, or do I need the bigger, more expensive model iConnectMIDI4?
So I am running a big Lemur Template that needs two set of ports: one bidirectional (to/from Cubase Generic Remote for commands, etc) and another one unidirectional (to Cubase which transmits Midi CC to Midi tracks - to control various sample libraries, etc).
Would the iConnectMIDI2+ do this, or do I need the bigger, more expensive model iConnectMIDI4?
I'm no expert, but with the iConnect MIDI2+ you do have a MIDI in and out as well as the USB ports which include 4 virtual USB ports. Certainly between all those ports you should be able to do what you want to do.
Thank you shofarsogood for your response. I think I am going to get one of those. With my present setup (via WIFI router) my lemur keeps disconnecting (the ports turn red and need to be re-assigned). I couldn't find a workaround for this issue...
Catman I have this problem too sometimes what I do is close lemur. The double clip home button so I can really close lemur then I reopen lemur and all is good. I've got a template for live that uses 3 ports and the 3rd one goes red sometimes. Ad that's how I easily fix is starts right were it left. Though using I connect midi does sound good I've considered buying one too. But I'm only using lemur In studio if I performed live I think I would get one for the stability.
Catman and Wulrt01,
I went to the iConnectMIDI2+ for exactly the same reason: something kept turning off the WIFI radio in my laptop which, of course, made lemur quit working rendering it useless. Since I started using the hardwired interface it has been rock solid and lightning fast. It's the only way to go.
I went to the iConnectMIDI2+ for exactly the same reason: something kept turning off the WIFI radio in my laptop which, of course, made lemur quit working rendering it useless. Since I started using the hardwired interface it has been rock solid and lightning fast. It's the only way to go.
Hello,
Looks like this setup is over my head but will attempt to get the Lemur working since I already have made the investment and also bought enChord (and about to buy reChord). This setting up the Lemur and enChord has already wasted hours in the vain attempt to get it to work.
So since the enChord is on my PC how do I get it to go on my iPad? See my post:
http://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3865
Also:
enChord http://www.avantgardesound.com/
reChord http://artsunmuted.com/rc/rc.html
shofarsogood on the OP said that the Wifi is not required. It’s not even required for the setup to get enChord to work? Please confirm.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Looks like this setup is over my head but will attempt to get the Lemur working since I already have made the investment and also bought enChord (and about to buy reChord). This setting up the Lemur and enChord has already wasted hours in the vain attempt to get it to work.
So since the enChord is on my PC how do I get it to go on my iPad? See my post:
http://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3865
Also:
enChord http://www.avantgardesound.com/
reChord http://artsunmuted.com/rc/rc.html
shofarsogood on the OP said that the Wifi is not required. It’s not even required for the setup to get enChord to work? Please confirm.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
In the iconnect midi config tool, you need to go to port routings and route the port where your ipad hangs on to the ports were you computer is connected to (for input and output). Check how the two ports are named they are easily misread and then things get set up wrong.
But you can go from Lemur to the computer without the Daemon with the iconnect Midi
But you can go from Lemur to the computer without the Daemon with the iconnect Midi
Hi
Wifi is generally used for communicating with Lemur including uploading projects, like enchord.
You can however also load projects via iTunes file management...
Cheers
MM
Wifi is generally used for communicating with Lemur including uploading projects, like enchord.
You can however also load projects via iTunes file management...
Cheers
MM
Electrofux,
Thanks for the response.
I have the iPad (Air) iConnectMIDI2+ and the Windows 7 PC working with several apps like SounPrism and Arp Pro.
I have Lemur Editor on the PC and Lemur in the iPad. EnChord is in the PC. There is no enChord for the iPad. So what needs to happed I assume is to somehow get enChord to the iPad. I understand that from the Ipad a lightning to USB adaptor to the PC connection will do it. However I am missing all the details of how this is done.
I have some help given here http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=166&t=402258 but as of now I still do not have enChord working.
enChord http://www.avantgardesound.com/
Liine: http://liine.net/en/support/lemur
I have tried to open the Lemur Daemon without success. But since you say it is not required then it is ok that it does not open.
I suppose that ITunes is somehow involved in sending the enChord template from the PC to the iPad but then why is the USB connection required? I am totally lost. Perhaps there are two or three different methods to accomplish this?
Thanks for the response.
I have the iPad (Air) iConnectMIDI2+ and the Windows 7 PC working with several apps like SounPrism and Arp Pro.
I have Lemur Editor on the PC and Lemur in the iPad. EnChord is in the PC. There is no enChord for the iPad. So what needs to happed I assume is to somehow get enChord to the iPad. I understand that from the Ipad a lightning to USB adaptor to the PC connection will do it. However I am missing all the details of how this is done.
I have some help given here http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=166&t=402258 but as of now I still do not have enChord working.
enChord http://www.avantgardesound.com/
Liine: http://liine.net/en/support/lemur
I have tried to open the Lemur Daemon without success. But since you say it is not required then it is ok that it does not open.
I suppose that ITunes is somehow involved in sending the enChord template from the PC to the iPad but then why is the USB connection required? I am totally lost. Perhaps there are two or three different methods to accomplish this?
Maccza,Macciza wrote:Hi
Wifi is generally used for communicating with Lemur including uploading projects, like enchord.
You can however also load projects via iTunes file management...
Cheers
MM
Thanks for your input.
shofarsogood stated in the OP that the Wi-Fi is not required. My PC does not have Wi-Fi but have a wired connection the internet. I turned on the WI-Fi on the iPad just case.
Since I am not so good with the technical side of iPads and PCs I need a step by step instructions.
So currently I have the iPad connected to the PC with a USB cable. I believe the Ipad can see the PC. In the Windows Explorer under Portable Devices I see the Ipad.
So now where does the iTunes and the Wi-Fi and enChord and Lemur and lemur Editor come in.
Hi
Hook iPad up directly with USB connection
Open iTunes , somewhere there is a section for managing apps files including Lemurs
Put the enChord file there and sync your iPad
Hook up iConnect and iPad, set up ports in Lemur and you should be right to go
Normally Lemur uses wifi for communicating with editor so live editing can be done
It might be a good idea to get a cheap wifi dongle or wifi router for your PC
Cheers
Hook iPad up directly with USB connection
Open iTunes , somewhere there is a section for managing apps files including Lemurs
Put the enChord file there and sync your iPad
Hook up iConnect and iPad, set up ports in Lemur and you should be right to go
Normally Lemur uses wifi for communicating with editor so live editing can be done
It might be a good idea to get a cheap wifi dongle or wifi router for your PC
Cheers
Hello,
I used a different method for loading enChord to the iPad
so I made new thread here:
http://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3878
Thanks to all for al the help offered.
I used a different method for loading enChord to the iPad
so I made new thread here:
http://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3878
Thanks to all for al the help offered.
Hi
Yeah, so basically you had a wifi connection available to the iPad the whole time and you could do it the usual way it's done via the Editor ....
If I had known you had the wifi connection available I would have told you to do it that way rather then the cable method...
Cheers
Yeah, so basically you had a wifi connection available to the iPad the whole time and you could do it the usual way it's done via the Editor ....
If I had known you had the wifi connection available I would have told you to do it that way rather then the cable method...
Cheers